2010 Toyota Camry Problems
Compared with other Toyota Camry years
More complaints than typical for this model
100/100 3.1× a typical year · 50 = typical
- Complaint rate is 3.1× that of a typical Toyota Camry year, weighted for crashes, fires, injuries, recalls and mileage, and allowing for the era and for how long each year has had to collect complaints.
- 275 of its 604 complaints were filed by the end of 2012.
- Most reported problem: Unintended or sudden acceleration (177 complaints, median 4,739 mi).
- 9 recall campaigns on record. A VIN search at nhtsa.gov/recalls shows open recalls for a specific vehicle.
Nearby years with fewer complaints than typical and no open NHTSA investigation: 2013
Based only on NHTSA complaints, recalls and investigations. Not adjusted for how many vehicles were sold, and not a reliability rating. How this is calculated
- Complaints
- 604filed with NHTSA
- Median mileage
- 30,000miles, 451 complaints with mileage
- Recalls
- 9campaigns on record
- Trend
- FallingComplaints filed in the last 3 full calendar years are at least 25% lower than in the 3 years before.
- NHTSA crash rating
- —overall rating starts with 2011 models
- EPA fuel economy
- 26 mpgcombined, 2.5L 4-cyl FWD · 22 city / 33 hwy
Sources: NHTSA records for the 2010 Toyota Camry (complaints, recalls, investigations), NHTSA crash tests, EPA fuel economy. Report an error
What owners report
Owners of this model year report two very different clusters: at low mileage, complaints center on unintended or unwanted acceleration and accelerator pedal feel, often around the 2010 pedal recalls; at higher mileage, the most frequent theme is a dashboard surface that becomes shiny, sticky and reflective, creating glare on the windshield. Sun visors breaking loose and occasional air bag non-deployment in crashes are also described, along with scattered reports of transmission, brake and engine oil consumption concerns.
- Body and structure
Sticky, melting dashboard and windshield glare
- 91 complaints (15%)
- median 72,301 mi at 7.8 yrs old (39 state mileage)
- filed 2014–2026
Owners describe the top of the dashboard turning shiny, soft and sticky, sometimes leaving residue on anything that touches it. On sunny days the surface reflects into the windshield and owners say it makes forward visibility difficult, occasionally forcing them to pull over. Several report the dealer pointing to a warranty enhancement program (identified in complaints as campaign ZE6) that had already expired, and that replacement was not covered. Usually reported on vehicles with roughly 30,000 to 150,000 miles, most often in hot, sunny climates and after several years of sun exposure.
What to check: Inspect the dashboard in direct sunlight for shine, tackiness or residue, and check whether it reflects badly onto the glass. Ask whether the dashboard was ever replaced under the ZE6 warranty enhancement and keep any paperwork.
2 excerpts from owner complaints in NHTSA records
“Dashboard is melting causing severe glare on the windshield which is obscuring my vision and creating a hazardous driving condition to vehicles and pedestrians. I noticed this during test drive of the car. Its worse and the dealer will not replace the part since warranty extension expired 6/3/2019. A full safety recall needs to be implemented.”
NHTSA complaint #11327082, filed 2020-06, 2 miles“Dashboard is becoming severely reflective to the point where I can't drive it safely. It's gotten stickier and more reflective over time. Dealer refuses to accept it's a defect and is charging me two grand just for the part (labor is more.) reflectiveness is much worse than what the attached picture shows.”
NHTSA complaint #11372652, filed 2020-11, 65,400 miles - Vehicle speed control
Unintended or sudden acceleration
- 177 complaints (29%)
- median 4,739 mi at 0.5 yrs old (147 state mileage)
- 57 mention a crash, fire or injury
- filed 2009–2026
Complaints describe the car surging or accelerating without the driver pressing the pedal, sometimes while parking, turning or at low speed, and in some cases the engine continued to rev with the brake applied. Drivers say shifting to neutral or park stopped the surge. Several complaints were filed shortly after accelerator pedal recall work was performed, with owners reporting the pedal travel or position felt wrong afterward. Mostly reported at very low mileage, often under 10,000 miles, and many within weeks of a recall pedal repair.
Recall 10V017000Recall 09V388000
What to check: Confirm both accelerator pedal recalls (09V388000 and 10V017000) were completed, and ask whether the car had any surge complaints after the repair. Have a mechanic check pedal movement and floor mat fitment.
2 excerpts from owner complaints in NHTSA records
“The recall repair on my 2008 Toyota Camry resulted in them filing down the bottom and left lower side of my accelerator pedal. As a result, when wearing leather shoes my foot has slipped off the accelerator pedal several times. The dealer, lee's Toyota of jamaica, ny, insists that there is nothing further that can be done. I would like to email a photo to you.”
NHTSA complaint #10329545, filed 2010-05, 16,800 miles“I was stopped in line of a drive thru restaurant. The vehicles were not moving and I was waiting with my foot on the break. All of a sudden the engine surged and the car lurched forward hitting the car in front of me. I pushed as hard as possible on the break pedal but the car did not stop until it hit the car in front of me.”
NHTSA complaint #10760868, filed 2015-09, 94,700 miles - Air bags
Air bags not deploying in a crash
- 53 complaints (9%)
- median 54,500 mi at 4.0 yrs old (46 state mileage)
- 43 mention a crash, fire or injury
- filed 2010–2026
Several complaints describe collisions at moderate speed in which the front air bags did not deploy, including rear-end and intersection impacts. Some owners report warning lights for air bag, stability control and seat belt illuminated together beforehand, with a fuse traced as the cause in one case. In others, the manufacturer attributed non-deployment to impact severity. Reported across a wide range, from about 28,000 to 160,000 miles, in crashes at various speeds.
What to check: Check that the air bag and SRS warning lights come on briefly at start-up and then go out, and have any stored SRS codes read before purchase.
2 excerpts from owner complaints in NHTSA records
“Srs warning light and trac control warning light and seat belt warnings for both passenger and driver flashing. I checked online and couldnt figure out the codes. I figured out that this was blowing fuse 29 on the car as soon as the ignition is turned on. I went to the local mechanic shop, ali automotive in santa clara, ca. They read the codes and the faults displayed are the steering angle sensor fault and passenger classification system fault (if I recall correctly). As the air bags are no longer active this is a safety issue. …”
NHTSA complaint #11340231, filed 2020-07, 159,434 miles“I consider myself lucky. I lost control of my vehicle on my way home from work, was traveling the speed limit of 45 MPH. Shot off the right side of the road and flew into a telephone pole and tree. The front end of my vehicle was destroyed but my air bags failed to deploy. Thank god for my seat belt. I truly don't understand with the type of impact and the speed I was traveling why the air bags did not deploy. I would love to have this investigated, but allstate totaled my car as they said at least $11,000 worth damages were done.”
NHTSA complaint #10504790, filed 2013-03, 68,000 miles - Visibility (wipers, defrost, mirrors)
Sun visor breaking or falling down
- 48 complaints (8%)
- median 77,500 mi at 6.9 yrs old (38 state mileage)
- filed 2011–2022
Owners report the driver-side sun visor breaking at its mount or no longer staying in position, either hanging down into the field of view or dropping suddenly while driving. In some cases the visor came completely off the bracket. Complaints describe the problem as a visibility obstruction that required holding the visor up with one hand. Typically reported between about 30,000 and 110,000 miles, with no clear weather pattern.
What to check: Fold both visors down and back up repeatedly and check the mounting bracket for looseness, cracks or sag.
2 excerpts from owner complaints in NHTSA records
“Takata recall I have a 2010 Toyota Camry. August 2016 I started noticing that the sun visor on the divers side was slightly retracting back into position (half position). By september 2016, it was no longer retracting at all making it hard for me what was going on around me in traffic. By the end of september 2016, the visor is completely off.”
NHTSA complaint #10919282, filed 2016-10, 83,000 miles“While driving with sun shining into my eyes, I pulled down the sun visor but it broke and failed to stay in position any more. The sun visor just hang downward to block my vision and I had to use one hand to hold it up while driving. This is a big safety concern with the broken sun visor on the driver side. Driver have to hold the sun visor with one hand and leave one hand to drive. This impact the safety in driving.”
NHTSA complaint #10683494, filed 2015-02, 32,000 miles
Summary written with AI from a sample of 60 NHTSA complaints for this model year (picked at random, with complaints that state a mileage and recent ones taken first), then checked automatically against the source records. Where a problem shows a complaint count, every complaint for this model year was matched with fixed keyword rules (written with AI and tested against the sample), and the mileage, age and repair figures are calculated from those complaints; owners' figures are as stated, not verified. Other counts refer to the sample. The excerpts come from NHTSA's public complaint records and are unverified; capitalisation is normalised, NHTSA staff notes are removed, and shortened text ends with “…”. Something wrong? Request a correction.
NHTSA recorded 604 consumer complaints for the 2010 Toyota Camry. 451 of the complaints include a mileage, and 63% of those were filed for vehicles with under 50,000 miles; the median is 30,000 miles. Of all complaints, 100 involved a crash, 1 a fire, 60 an injury, according to the filers. NHTSA lists 9 recall campaigns and 410 technical service bulletins for this model year. Compared with the other 15 Toyota Camry model years that have at least 25 complaints and are old enough to compare, this one scores 100 out of 100, where 50 is a typical year for the model (more complaints than typical for this model). The comparison allows for the era and for how long each year has had to collect complaints, but not for how many vehicles were sold.
Which parts are reported most
Complaints can name more than one part, so the counts add up to more than the total. Select a part to see its complaints, recalls and bulletins.
- Vehicle speed control167 28%
- Other or unknown84 14%
- Body and structure64 11%
- Brakes53 8.8%
- Air bags49 8.1%
- Transmission and drivetrain46 7.6%
- Engine43 7.1%
- Suspension35 5.8%
- Electrical system25 4.1%
Also reported: Steering (25), Fuel system (19), Engine cooling (15), Exterior lighting (12), Equipment (11), Tires (11), Seat belts (8), Electronic stability control (6), Seats (6), Wheels (5), Latches, locks and linkages (2).
Example complaints
Vehicle speed control: “I applied the brakes slowly as I was driving on the highway moving about 25 MPH and instead of slowing down, the car accelerated--it jolted forward! I stepped on the brakes harder. This happened twice on one drive--I almost hit an 18 wheeler. Is there something I should do? I'm not sure if it is safe to drive.”
NHTSA complaint #11074019, filed 2018-02, 156,000 milesOther or unknown: “The safety my family's health is in peril in my opinion because the car is emanating a very strong mold like odor causing us headaches and sore throats even on trips under 5 minutes. On reviewing numerous internet articles about this, it appears that Toyota may not be seriously addressing the problem. I do not know at this time what mechanical defect is in play.”
NHTSA complaint #11190062, filed 2019-03, 100,000 milesVisibility (wipers, defrost, mirrors): “I was driving down the freeway in montana. Not a lot of traffic and not following any cars. Out of the blue, there was a loud explosion on the sunroof. Upon pulling over, the sunroof had exploded and shattered. Very glad the slider had been closed as I could have been badly cut, plus I had a passenger. My husband had pulled off the road so I could drive, so not at a high speed, when it occurred. I have documentation that the roof was replaced by glass doctor.”
NHTSA complaint #11163682, filed 2018-12, 120,000 milesBody and structure: “While checking oil hood suddenly closed hood supports failed. No warning it just slammed shut. The car was parked in my garage at the time 0800. It caught my left arm and hand requiring six stiches plus other cuts and bruises.”
NHTSA complaint #11205480, filed 2019-05, 125,450 milesMileage when problems were reported
63% of the 451 complaints with a mileage were filed for vehicles with under 50,000 miles; the middle half falls between 4,900 and 75,000 miles.
Complaints by year filed
Trend: falling. Complaints filed in the last 3 full calendar years are at least 25% lower than in the 3 years before.
Crash test ratings
NHTSA's 5-Star Safety Ratings for the 2010 Toyota Camry. Frontal results are shown driver / passenger; rollover shows the star rating and NHTSA's estimated risk of rolling over in a single-vehicle crash.
| Version | Overall | Frontal | Side | Side pole | Rollover |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Camry · sedan FWD | not rated | 5 / 5 | — | — | — |
Ratings before the 2011 model year come from an older, less demanding test and are not comparable with ratings for 2011 and later.
Source: NHTSA New Car Assessment Program (5-Star Safety Ratings), nhtsa.gov/ratings.
Fuel economy and running cost
EPA ratings for each 2010 Toyota Camry version. Annual fuel cost is the EPA's estimate at its current fuel prices for 15,000 miles a year (55% city driving).
| Version | Engine | Transmission | City | Hwy | Comb. | Fuel / yr |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Camry FWD | 2.5L 4-cyl | 6-speed manual | 22 | 33 | 26 | $2,600 |
| Camry FWD | 2.5L 4-cyl | 6-speed automatic | 22 | 32 | 26 | $2,600 |
| Camry FWD | 3.5L 6-cyl | 6-speed automatic | 19 | 28 | 23 | $2,900 |
Source: U.S. EPA and Department of Energy, fueleconomy.gov. Ratings are for comparing vehicles; real-world mileage varies with driving and conditions.
Recalls and investigations
- 16V396000Jun 2, 2016Seats › Front assembly › Seat heater/coolerCovers: Toyota Camry 1988–1990, 2005–2010, Highlander 2005–2011, Sienna 2005–2011 +11 more
Southeast Toyota Distributors, LLC (SET) is recalling certain 2005-2011 4Runner, Highlander, Sequoia, and Sienna, 2005-2010 Avalon and Tundra, 2006-2008 Camry Solara, 2006-2010 Highlander hybrid, 2006-2011 Rav4 and Tacoma, 2007-2010 FJ Cruiser, 2007-2011…
- 14V743000Nov 19, 2014Seats › Front assembly › Seat heater/coolerCovers: Toyota Camry 2006–2011, Sienna 2005–2011, Sequoia 2005–2011 +10 more
Southeast Toyota Distributors, LLC (SET) is recalling certain model year 2010-2011 Prius and Corolla, 2009-2011 Venza, 2006-2010 Avalon, 2007-2010 FJ Cruiser, 2005-2011 Sienna and Sequoia, 2006-2011 Tacoma 4x2 and 4x4, Camry, Highlander, Tundra 4x2 and 4x4…
- 13V123000Apr 9, 2013Equipment › Other › LabelsCovers: Toyota Camry 2010–2011, Tundra 2008, 2010–2013, Tacoma 2010–2013 +16 more
Southeast Toyota is recalling certain model year 2008 and 2010-2013 Toyota Tundra, 2010-2012 Rav4, 2012 Toyota Sequoia, 2010-2011 Toyota Corolla, 2010-2011 Toyota Camry and Camry Hybrid, 2010-2013 Toyota Highlander and Highlander Hybrid, 2010-2013 Toyota FJ…
- 13V014000Jan 16, 2013SeatsCovers: Toyota Camry 2009–2012, Highlander 2009–2013, Venza 2009–2013 +13 more
Southeast Toyota Distributors, LLC (SET) is recalling certain models interspersed through model years 2009 through 2013 as follows: model year 2009-2012 Tacoma, 4Runner, Camry, Camry Hybrid, Prius, and RAV4; model year 2009-2010 Avalon, FJ Cruiser, and…
- 10V040000Feb 9, 2010Service brakes, hydraulicCovers: Toyota Camry 2010
Toyota is recalling certain model year 2010 camrys. The length of the power steering pressure hose on vehicles equipped with the 4-cylinder (2ar-fe) engine may be insufficient, such that the gap between the crimp on the pressure hose and the brake tube for…
- 10V035000Feb 3, 2010Equipment › Other › LabelsCovers: Toyota Camry 2005–2010, Scion TC 2005–2010, Toyota Highlander 2005–2010 +18 more
Gulf states toyota is recalling certain model year 2005-2010 vehicles for failing to comply with the requirements of federal motor vehicle safety standard no. 110, "tire selection and rims." these vehicles were sold between september 1, 2005 and june 2, 2008…
See all 9 recalls for the 2010 Toyota Camry → · Check a VIN at nhtsa.gov/recalls
Technical service bulletins
TSBs are manufacturer notes to dealers about known repair procedures. They are not recalls and do not by themselves mean a vehicle has a fault. 410 on record; the latest 10 are shown.
- 11028712Jan 7, 2026Other or unknown. Some 2005 – 2026 Toyota vehicles that have undergone water intrusion may exhibit a condition in which a musty odor is present. Follow the procedures in this bulletin to remediate the odor and…
- 11012744Dec 6, 2024Body and structure. The condition known as acid rain is caused by airborne chemicals or particles in the atmosphere, which mix with rainwater, nighttime dew, or high humidity to form acidic compounds. If these…
- 11012743Dec 6, 2024Body and structure. To prevent brake rotor rust from forming during transportation and storage, wheel film will be used instead of a cardboard type of anti-rust cover. The purpose of the wheel film is to shield the…
- 11012742Dec 6, 2024Body and structure. Acid rain results from rainwater or other airborne moisture that become acidic due to industrial chemical impurities in the atmosphere. If these acidic compounds settle on an exposed vehicle…
- 11012735Dec 5, 2024Body and structure. Toyota vehicles are currently protected with RapgardTM protective film designed to protect the horizontal painted surfaces. This material protects from acid rain, environmental fallout, and rail…
- 11012727Dec 3, 2024Body and structure. Vehicles may occasionally be subjected to contamination by airborne iron particles shed from railroad tracks, train wheels, exposure to heavy machinery facilities, grinding, welding, etc. This type…
- 11007455Jul 29, 2024Body and structure. Some 2005 – 2024 Toyota vehicles that have undergone water intrusion may exhibit a condition in which a musty odor is present. Follow the procedures in this bulletin to remediate the odor and…
- 11006161Jul 29, 2024Body and structure. Some 2005 – 2024 Toyota vehicles that have undergone water intrusion may exhibit a condition in which a musty odor is present. Follow the procedures in this bulletin to remediate the odor and…
- 11007445Jul 12, 2024Body and structure. The condition known as acid rain is caused by airborne chemicals or particles in the atmosphere, which mix with rainwater, nighttime dew, or high humidity to form acidic compounds. If these…
- 11007444Jul 12, 2024Body and structure. To prevent brake rotor rust from forming during transportation and storage, wheel film will be used instead of a cardboard type of anti-rust cover. The purpose of the wheel film is to shield the…
Other model years of the Toyota Camry
| Year | Complaints | Median mi | Recalls | Crash ★ | MPG | Score (50 = typical) | Trend |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2024 | 52 | 5,555 | 1 | 5 | 26 | Too new to compare | Too new |
| 2023 | 65 | 30,000 | 2 | 5 | 26 | 5 · Fewer | Too new |
| 2022 | 65 | 41,000 | 1 | 5 | 26 | 0 · Fewer | Rising |
| 2021 | 158 | 20,500 | 1 | 5 | 26 | 8 · Fewer | Rising |
| 2020 | 275 | 7,750 | 3 | 5 | 31 | 52 · Typical | Rising |
| 2019 | 400 | 11,100 | 6 | 5 | 32 | 76 · More | Stable |
| 2018 | 754 | 17,500 | 8 | 5 | 32 | 98 · More | Falling |
| 2017 | 148 | 30,797 | 3 | 5 | 27 | 17 · Fewer | Falling |
| 2016 | 184 | 28,886 | 2 | 5 | 28 | 22 · Fewer | Falling |
| 2015 | 271 | 39,700 | 1 | 5 | 28 | 6 · Fewer | Falling |
| 2014 | 455 | 37,060 | 3 | 5 | 28 | 48 · Typical | Falling |
| 2013 | 274 | 26,500 | 2 | 5 | 28 | 27 · Fewer | Stable |
| 2012 | 590 | 40,000 | 2 | 5 | 28 | 57 · Typical | Falling |
| 2011 | 602 | 49,000 | 5 | 3–4 | 25 | 78 · More | Falling |
| 2010 | 604 | 30,000 | 9 | — | 26 | 100 · More | Falling |
| 2009 | 1,294 | 49,000 | 10 | — | 25 | 100 · More | Falling |
| 2008 | 933 | 55,000 | 7 | — | 25 | 81 · More | Falling |
| 2007 | 2,888 | 60,000 | 9 | — | 24 | Not compared (before 2008) | Falling |
| 2006 | 317 | 42,748 | 5 | — | 24 | Not compared (before 2008) | Stable |
| 2005 | 721 | 42,000 | 5 | — | 24 | Not compared (before 2008) | Stable |
| 2004 | 638 | 45,000 | 3 | — | 24 | Not compared (before 2008) | Falling |
| 2003 | 782 | 48,785 | 1 | — | 24 | Not compared (before 2008) | Falling |
| 2002 | 953 | 50,000 | 4 | — | 24 | Not compared (before 2008) | Stable |
| 2001 | 272 | 70,000 | 2 | — | 24 | Not compared (before 2008) | Rising |
| 2000 | 454 | 70,000 | 2 | — | 23 | Not compared (before 2008) | Falling |
| 1999 | 501 | 80,732 | 1 | — | 23 | Not compared (before 2008) | Falling |
| 1998 | 600 | 85,000 | 2 | — | 23 | Not compared (before 2008) | Falling |
| 1997 | 555 | 87,000 | 3 | — | 23 | Not compared (before 2008) | Rising |
| 1996 | 417 | 96,428 | 2 | — | 21 | Not compared (before 2008) | Falling |
| 1995 | 303 | 122,589 | 1 | — | 21 | Not compared (before 2008) | Stable |
| 1994 | 287 | 105,514 | 1 | — | 21 | Not compared (before 2008) | Stable |
| 1993 | 260 | 134,508 | 0 | — | 21 | Not compared (before 2008) | Stable |
| 1992 | 565 | 126,000 | 0 | — | 21 | Not compared (before 2008) | Stable |
| 1991 | 149 | 119,500 | 1 | — | 24 | Not compared (before 2008) | Falling |
| 1990 | 134 | 150,500 | 2 | — | 24 | Not compared (before 2008) | Stable |
| 1989 | 113 | 153,500 | 3 | — | 24 | Not compared (before 2008) | Rising |
| 1988 | 64 | 90,000 | 4 | — | 24 | Not compared (before 2008) | Stable |
| 1987 | 58 | 159,796 | 3 | — | 26 | Not compared (before 2008) | Falling |
| 1986 | 32 | 76,110 | 0 | — | 27 | Not compared (before 2008) | Stable |
| 1985 | 13 | 58,000 | 0 | — | 27 | — | Not enough data |
| 1984 | 8 | — | 2 | — | 27 | — | Not enough data |
| 1983 | 6 | — | 2 | — | — | — | Not enough data |
All Toyota Camry model years · Best and worst years by complaints
Frequently asked questions
What are the most common problems with the 2010 Toyota Camry?
Owners of this model year report two very different clusters: at low mileage, complaints center on unintended or unwanted acceleration and accelerator pedal feel, often around the 2010 pedal recalls; at higher mileage, the most frequent theme is a dashboard surface that becomes shiny, sticky and reflective, creating glare on the windshield. The issues reported most often: Sticky, melting dashboard and windshield glare; Unintended or sudden acceleration; Air bags not deploying in a crash.
How many NHTSA complaints does the 2010 Toyota Camry have?
NHTSA recorded 604 consumer complaints for the 2010 Toyota Camry as of Oct 30, 2026. Complaints are unverified consumer reports and may be duplicated or inaccurate.
What part of the 2010 Toyota Camry is reported most often?
Vehicle speed control is named most often, in 167 complaints (28% of the total), followed by other or unknown with 84.
Has the 2010 Toyota Camry been recalled?
NHTSA lists 9 recall campaigns for this model year. To check a specific vehicle, enter its VIN at nhtsa.gov/recalls.
What gas mileage does the 2010 Toyota Camry get?
The EPA rates the 2010 Toyota Camry (Camry, 2.5L 4-cyl) at 26 mpg combined, 22 city and 33 highway, with an estimated annual fuel cost of $2,600 at 15,000 miles a year. Other engine and drive versions are rated differently.
At what mileage are problems with the 2010 Toyota Camry reported?
Among the 451 complaints that include a mileage, the median is 30,000 miles and the middle half falls between 4,900 and 75,000 miles; 63% were filed for vehicles with under 50,000 miles.
About this data. Data from NHTSA (ODI) complaints, recalls, TSBs and investigations, updated Oct 30, 2026. Complaints are unverified consumer reports and may be duplicated or inaccurate. Crash ratings are from NHTSA’s New Car Assessment Program. Fuel economy is from the EPA and DOE (fueleconomy.gov).
Complaint counts come from NHTSA’s public complaint database; we count each complaint once. The source records for this vehicle are on nhtsa.gov. Scores and trends are our own summaries of that data, described in the methodology. This page is not legal, safety or repair advice: for a specific vehicle, check its VIN at nhtsa.gov/recalls and ask a qualified mechanic. See an error? Tell us.